First of all, Mia, let me warn you up front; Bill Medvecky is a liar and damn proud of it. If you visit his website to post you’ll see a requirement for your email address along with a declaration that email is never published or sold. That’s a bald faced lie. If he doesn’t like what you say on his site he will publish it AND your IP number, which gives out a lot of information as to where you are located. So a little head’s up. Now, for a few of the lies Bill fed you:
“The State claimed that they had 31 girls, all children, all who were pregnant or had already given birth to a child. The youngest girl with a baby was 17. The oldest “Girl” being held was 37 years old. Of the 31 girls, none had a baby or were pregnant before they were 17 while living in Texas.”
More than Teresa Steed had babies at the YFZ ranch while underage as Dr. Barlow’s charges show. Here’s a few of the girls taken in the raid – I don’t know how many of them had babies on the ranch but there were at least three underage births.
Leanne Had Sally at age 16 & Pregnant during removal
Janet Had Spiritual Unity at age 15
Veda Had Serrenna at age 15
Pamela Had Matthew at age 16
Sarah Elizabeth Had Sandra at age 17
Suzanne Had Seth at age 16
Rachel Had Melissa at age 16
Rebecca Had Allan at age 16
Merrilyn Had Robert at age 16
Louanna (Elizabeth Luvern) Had Frederick at age 17
Teresa Had her baby days after the return age 17
So there’s a big fat lie for you. Even if these children weren’t born at the ranch, who cares? – they were young teens and mothers! Most of them were 16 and under and not one of them went to their fathers or Warren and said “Gee, please marry me off to some old guy with several other wives – I think it’s so hot!”
“One girls lawyer, went on the Nancy Grace show and said that her client was pregnant and already had a child who was kidnapped and being kept from the Attorney. The fact was proven that the girl was a virgin.”
Contrary to Bill’s PR report, there is NO evidence that any girl received a SANE examination or even a basic physical. I have heard of no “proof” of any girl’s virginity. Given that at least two of Warren’s underage “brides” gave birth at the age of 15, and based on the dates, were pregnant at age 14, I wouldn’t be terribly willing to believe he left young Merrianne alone. If he did, it was because he wasn’t there, not because he was respecting her need to grow up. And just where is this proof? What is the proof?
“The State held those children for 8 weeks and grilled them constantly about sex. NOT ONE reported anything had happened, and NOT ONE showed any signs of being sexually abused.”
And THAT is absolutely the craziest thing I’ve heard yet. I challenge you to get one smidgen of proof that any child was grilled constantly for 8 weeks, much less the entire 400. It’s a flat out impossibility. No, Bill is indulging in his usual histrionics and counting on you to swallow his vomit without checking your facts. Ask for proof and see what happens.
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Thursday, January 21, 2010
Wednesday, January 13, 2010
A Little Logic Applied to God and Goddess Theology
A poster on The Plural Life posted this little bit of Mormon theology for the edification of others:
"The quote leaves many things to be desired.
It left out that not only men, but also women were on the road to Godhood if they love God with “all their heart, might, and mind”."
Of course he leaves out the part where, for women, that means bowing down before any Mormon male who has managed to convince others he's a "priesthood holder" regardless of the pain he causes to those around him.
"That women were co-creators with their husbands."
Really? It's odd that the Book of Mormon has no information at all about what Elohim's wives (and supposed Goddesses) have created. Just what did these Goddesses create? Who created what?
"That just as a wife should be “obedient” to her husband, so also should the husband be obedient to God."
Be "obedient" ladies. Just like the men who slaughtered innocent men, women and children in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, you too will be "blessed" by your unthinking "obedience" to men. Pay no attention to the fact that one of the leaders was sacrificed by his obedience so that Brigham Young (and isn't he a FINE example of someone to be obedient to?) could sweep the matter under the rug and pretend he had nothing to do with the looting and bloodshed.
"That the man is “pulled through the veil” by another just as the wife is pulled through the veil if found worthy. Thus, both are on the same path, together, if each honors their respective covenants."
Gods and Goddesses – not just Gods and their wives."
Who prays to "Heavenly Mother"? Which one would they pray to? Is it, or is it not an excommunicable offense to attempt to discuss, write hymns to, or define any of Elohim's "wives"? Just what are these Godesses the Goddesses of? What authority do they have? What power? What function -- besides giving birth eternally?
These sorts of blatant, false bits of propaganda irk me to no end. I've had other Mormons (men, each and every one) try to make the same claim. Sorry guys, but it doesn't fly. Granted, it probably makes YOU feel better about your patriarchal religion which relegates women to second (no make that third-class since now even black men can have the "priesthood") status, but it's a lie. And it's not even a GOOD lie. Let's look at it with just a tiny bit of logic.
If a woman was on the road to her own godhood, she'd be pulled through the veil by either her God or her Goddess directly just like the man is and regardless of any man's own salvation. If your faith truly believed in Goddesses, there'd be some information on them, not the resounding silence. Oh, and here's a newsflash for you, contrary to oft-spoken Mormon belief, a woman's sensibilities are not so fragile that someone taking their name in vain is a tragedy. As a mother, I've had my name taken in vain by my son's friends many a time -- I told him the same thing I'll tell you -- I can defend my own name; if I think it's even worth discussing. Any Goddess worth her salt would certainly be able to stand proudly at her God's side and defend her subjects. The fact that the Mormon Goddesses are MIA says all that needs to be said about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's view of women. To be even more clear, Elohim doesn't have co-creator Goddesses with him -- he simply has a huge harem.
Why women submit to the misery and pain of the Mormon belief system has always baffled me. Of course, they aren't the only ones to be betrayed by a patriarchal religious belief. Ladies, of ALL faiths, take your power back. There is NO reason to sacrifice your own just wants and needs because some man tells you that a male god says so. Use your brains, use some critical thinking, allow yourself to LIVE!
"The quote leaves many things to be desired.
It left out that not only men, but also women were on the road to Godhood if they love God with “all their heart, might, and mind”."
Of course he leaves out the part where, for women, that means bowing down before any Mormon male who has managed to convince others he's a "priesthood holder" regardless of the pain he causes to those around him.
"That women were co-creators with their husbands."
Really? It's odd that the Book of Mormon has no information at all about what Elohim's wives (and supposed Goddesses) have created. Just what did these Goddesses create? Who created what?
"That just as a wife should be “obedient” to her husband, so also should the husband be obedient to God."
Be "obedient" ladies. Just like the men who slaughtered innocent men, women and children in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, you too will be "blessed" by your unthinking "obedience" to men. Pay no attention to the fact that one of the leaders was sacrificed by his obedience so that Brigham Young (and isn't he a FINE example of someone to be obedient to?) could sweep the matter under the rug and pretend he had nothing to do with the looting and bloodshed.
"That the man is “pulled through the veil” by another just as the wife is pulled through the veil if found worthy. Thus, both are on the same path, together, if each honors their respective covenants."
Gods and Goddesses – not just Gods and their wives."
Who prays to "Heavenly Mother"? Which one would they pray to? Is it, or is it not an excommunicable offense to attempt to discuss, write hymns to, or define any of Elohim's "wives"? Just what are these Godesses the Goddesses of? What authority do they have? What power? What function -- besides giving birth eternally?
These sorts of blatant, false bits of propaganda irk me to no end. I've had other Mormons (men, each and every one) try to make the same claim. Sorry guys, but it doesn't fly. Granted, it probably makes YOU feel better about your patriarchal religion which relegates women to second (no make that third-class since now even black men can have the "priesthood") status, but it's a lie. And it's not even a GOOD lie. Let's look at it with just a tiny bit of logic.
If a woman was on the road to her own godhood, she'd be pulled through the veil by either her God or her Goddess directly just like the man is and regardless of any man's own salvation. If your faith truly believed in Goddesses, there'd be some information on them, not the resounding silence. Oh, and here's a newsflash for you, contrary to oft-spoken Mormon belief, a woman's sensibilities are not so fragile that someone taking their name in vain is a tragedy. As a mother, I've had my name taken in vain by my son's friends many a time -- I told him the same thing I'll tell you -- I can defend my own name; if I think it's even worth discussing. Any Goddess worth her salt would certainly be able to stand proudly at her God's side and defend her subjects. The fact that the Mormon Goddesses are MIA says all that needs to be said about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's view of women. To be even more clear, Elohim doesn't have co-creator Goddesses with him -- he simply has a huge harem.
Why women submit to the misery and pain of the Mormon belief system has always baffled me. Of course, they aren't the only ones to be betrayed by a patriarchal religious belief. Ladies, of ALL faiths, take your power back. There is NO reason to sacrifice your own just wants and needs because some man tells you that a male god says so. Use your brains, use some critical thinking, allow yourself to LIVE!
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